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ibeasinger
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From:Viera, FL, USA
Registered: Jul 2003

posted 08-25-2003 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ibeasinger   Click Here to Email ibeasinger     Edit/Delete Message
Any more I don't know where the best place is to post a general question .. so I'm putting it here. Everyone but SPFrank can respond (he'd only make me insane by directing me to a site that would make me want to throw my yak on my truck and head out the door) ....

I have a digital camera and I'd really like to be able to take some pictures while I'm out and about but need an option so that clumsy fingered me doesn't end up littering the lagoon bed with it.

Besides the ol' zippy bag, what are some options?

Dena

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chpaton
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From:Quincy, MA, USA
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posted 08-25-2003 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chpaton     Edit/Delete Message
Forget the zip bag - they're generally too flimsy.

If you insist on taking a digital camera (keep in mind it only takes a drop or two of water, esp. salt water, to fry these things) get to a reputable, well stocked camera store and ask them for an appropriate "water proof" housing that will work with your particular camera (bring the camera so you can test it with the housing).

I've had some success with a heavy duty vinyl bag with clear plastic panels placed for the camera lens and view finder. The bag is designed for this use and seals with velcro like a dry bag. It makes the camera relatively splash proof, but is not designed for immersion - cost around $25 - $30 and they don't fit all cameras.

But before you go spending bucks an a bag or water proof housing, What kind of digi cam do you have? If it's just a point and shoot, or only has limited zoom capability, you might find it easier to buy some of those disposable cameras designed for "wet" use. Cost $10 - $15 and can be found in drug store and super markets (Eckerd's, Publix, Winn-Dixie?). If you want digitized prints a lot of photo developers will put on a disk for you for an additional fee when you get the shots developed.

As Frank might say Paddle and Photo on!

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ibeasinger
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From:Viera, FL, USA
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posted 08-25-2003 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ibeasinger   Click Here to Email ibeasinger     Edit/Delete Message
chpaton:

Unfortunately, the camera I have is all I have and I can't afford those little disposables for every trip out. It's a Kodak DX3600 with Zoom and Short Movies.

Hopefully, it won't ever become scubacam but who knows .. anything is possible when I'm at the paddle!

Dena

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Iceman
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From:Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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posted 08-25-2003 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Iceman   Click Here to Email Iceman     Edit/Delete Message
I feel that chpaton is right.

If, these days, you are not able or willing to get a waterproof camera and/or a waterproof box, don't even think about taking a digital camera with you.

A couple of months ago, I tough a cell phone with only one of my fingers wet with salt water, and it was enough to killed it.

Last sunday, I killed a $450 GPS (hypothetical waterproof) because of salt water. It is covered by the manufacture warranty, so I do not mind. However, I do not have GPS for about two weeks.

Ps. You might try, but I do not think you want to trow away your money.

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Scupper Pro Frank
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From:Miami, FL
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posted 08-25-2003 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scupper Pro Frank   Click Here to Email Scupper Pro Frank     Edit/Delete Message
DESPITE THE PLEA AND PROHIBITION

I'm answering anyway!

First, think about how and when you want to do your on-water photography.

WIll you want near instantaneous capabilities? That is -will you say -"Dang! What an opportunity, shoot NOW!" Or, is it a case of "...if I frame this THIS way, I'll get these elements in and the shadows will fall this and such a way, and the colors will mute (or not)..." Or perhaps its "OK.... Focus... Set...it...up.... Get...ready.... Closer.... Closer.... GOTCHA!" Or "It's the paddling crew! Paddles UP! Everybody SMILE! CHEEZ!"

Will you want -REALLY want and USE -your ability to zoom? How about your mpeg or avi capabilities?

If not, maybe a UW dispo P&S might work. No zoom, but they're variably good for between 15 and 50 feet underwater, depending on brand. I'v had great luck with both Fuji and Kodak UW dispos underwater, skin diving in the Virgin Islands on St Thomas & St John up to about 15-16' deep, and kayaking around and about here in South Florida & the Keys.

No, they don't instantaneously grab and store an image, and it DOES cost to develop the film, and if you DO want to put P&S film-based images into an e-photo or on-line album, you WILL have to scan them in -either yourself, or you choosing to process them such that the images are xferred to disk.

Otherwise...

First, go to http://www.steves-digicams.com/2001_reviews/dx3600_qtvr.html
to see what your digicam looks like, VR-wise.

Then go to http://www.steves-digicams.com/2001_reviews/dx3600.html
and scroll down to check out the facts and figures for your digicam. Most imprtant will be the body dimensions with the lens "in", and with it max telephoto'ed out.

OK, now go to http://www.aquapac.net/
and navigate to the camera cases -I'll conjecture that the $45 case will work for your Kodak and all its 'Kodak moments'.

Next go to http://www.ewamarine.com/English/e-start.htm
and check these items out. They have a camera compatability chart somewhere on the site which will twll you if you're a winner or not. Sadly for me, my FujiFilm Finepix 3800, a great digicam, isn't, and won't be, fitted by EWA.

I'm currently awaiting a report from a kayaking friend in Wisconsin who has the same camera as I and who purchased the Aquapac. When she lets me know, I'll relay in the info. It looks promising, and the Aquapac looks to be a good investment. I will, however, need to see what the situation is re floating -if it doesn't, and the cam fits inside OK, I'll add flotation to the carry straps.

Paddle -and shoot, H2)-proof bagged, or by dispo -on!

-Frank in Miami

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H. Lee
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From:Stone Mountain, Ga, USA
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posted 08-25-2003 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for H. Lee     Edit/Delete Message
ibeasinger.....let me speak from experience and say DO NOT use an expensive digital on the water!!!!! I killed a Nikon with just a very small amount of water. Especially in a SOT it's just not worth it. Get you a waterproof outfit or use the point and shoot 35 mil's. I use a Fuji point and shoot and it does just fine.

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wgb1
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From:NE Texas
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posted 08-25-2003 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wgb1     Edit/Delete Message
I use an Otter Box model 8000. Waterproof and crushproof. Works great for my Powershot S45. Of course it is only protected while in the box. Once I take it out.....wwwwweeeelllll......

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kayak angler
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From:San Antonio, Texas
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posted 08-25-2003 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kayak angler   Click Here to Email kayak angler     Edit/Delete Message
As most of the others have said, do not take your digital camera on the water with you. I have fried both an expensive one and a cheap one before I learned. I now use one of those Fuji waterproof disposable things. Good pics and it floats too. I keep it right in the cockpit with me for those spontaneous shots on the water. One of those things will last me two or three outings before I've used up all the shots.

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Riptyd
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posted 08-25-2003 06:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I found an Olympus D-360L and Matching housing good for 10ft down on Ebay for $135 it is the best investment i have made since buying my kayak. And with a bigger memory car I have unlimited picture taking ability as long as my batteries hold out. But hey thats what a shore stop is for right?

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XCUDA
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posted 08-25-2003 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for XCUDA   Click Here to Email XCUDA     Edit/Delete Message
I just use a waterproof disposable.

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LooneyTick
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From:Ocklawaha Florida USA
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posted 08-26-2003 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LooneyTick   Click Here to Email LooneyTick     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.tristatecamera.com/lookat.php3?sid=24d9w9d8&sku=OLYPT018&cs=store.php3&store=3&levels=0029&st=0 has the least expensive housing I have found

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JT Central Florida

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diverden
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posted 08-26-2003 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for diverden   Click Here to Email diverden     Edit/Delete Message
I use my Dive camera, a Sea&Sea Motormarine II. Waterproof to a lot deeper than I can dive. Takes great pics topside also.

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pdoege
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From:Winter Springs, FL, USA
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posted 08-26-2003 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pdoege     Edit/Delete Message
I use my Canon S45 with a diving case.

Works well. Had it out on the Wekiva Sunday.

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Cookie Monster
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From:Pensacola, Florida
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posted 08-26-2003 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cookie Monster   Click Here to Email Cookie Monster     Edit/Delete Message
Check these out. They have two specific camera cases that seem to be pretty reasonable. $25-$45, plus a bunch of other cases.
http://www.murrays.com/aquapac/aquaitems.html


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VSG
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posted 08-26-2003 09:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Diver Dan is that a fixed focus camera, does it allow you to zoom, is it digital. We have a sealife sportdiver, which is a fixed focus 35 mm and very rugged , but not digital and no zoom. I'd like to find something rugged enough to use in surf with zoom but I doubt I could afford it.

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diverden
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posted 08-27-2003 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for diverden   Click Here to Email diverden     Edit/Delete Message
vsg, the Motormarine II is a 35MM,motordriven,SLR.
It has interchangeable lens which can be swapped even under water. I've been using it for about 8 years while diving and find it superior to the Nikonos V.
I believe there are probably more affordable solutions available if your primary concern is above water use.
Ikelite makes housings for most digital cameras, even ones with zoom features. You can check their ads in most Diving magazines, or check out B&H photo on the web. You'l probably find that a good housing cost as much as the camera you buy, maybe more. Dont scrimp here, a good housing will last a lifetime with proper maintenance. I personally would stick with the SeaLife and spend the extra cash on a frosty beverage...or 2.

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irishseakayaker
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From:Cork, Ireland
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posted 08-27-2003 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for irishseakayaker     Edit/Delete Message
There used to be a few waterproof 35mm point-and-shoots available. I've seen them used for caving in pretty wet conditions without trouble, I assume they can take saltwater too. They were expensive for a P&S but probably cheaper than a season's worth of disposables - or ruining your digital.

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sotyakr
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posted 08-27-2003 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sotyakr   Click Here to Email sotyakr     Edit/Delete Message
I occasionally carry a Pentax 105WR point and shoot in the pocket my PFD. It's "splashproof" with a 38-105mm zoom lens and is very rugged. No problems with saltwater spray - just rinse it off with tapwater after use. Paid about $200 for it. Picture quality is quite decent. A similar model, the Pentax 95WR even floats and sells for a bit less.

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Greyak
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posted 08-27-2003 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greyak   Click Here to Email Greyak     Edit/Delete Message
If there is no specific housing for your camera, check out Aquapac cases.

Plastic bags, yes - but heavy duty with special optical polymer lens areas.

Seal is a mechanical pinch type - totally submersible. Case usually hold enough air that it floats with the camera in it.

They also make great cell phone cases, wallets, and many more items.
http://www.aquapac.net/

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bigg dawgg
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From:Newport Beach, CA, USA
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posted 09-04-2003 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigg dawgg   Click Here to Email bigg dawgg     Edit/Delete Message
try www.ikelite.com they make a waterproof housing for almost everything. except my F5 with a 24-120, and sb26 flash. this is my kusual camera choice, but not yet.
good luck. p.s. the waterproof disposables work quite well

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XCUDA
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posted 09-04-2003 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for XCUDA   Click Here to Email XCUDA     Edit/Delete Message
A waterproof disposable can run into bucks if you use up one on every trip and have it burned to CD. If you just take a few photos each trip and wait to have it developed it does not cost so much.

Hey, no one likes to wait to see photos, tho.

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LooneyTick
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From:Ocklawaha Florida USA
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posted 09-05-2003 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LooneyTick   Click Here to Email LooneyTick     Edit/Delete Message
A few months ago a bought an Olympus C-740 UZ and now Olympus makes the underwater housing for this camera. I ordered one yesterday, I'm ready for this. I have spent almost 200 dollars getting the disposable waterproof camera film developed and now I should be able to save money. The 200 dollars for the housing will be worth it.

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JT Central Florida

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ibeasinger
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posted 09-05-2003 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ibeasinger   Click Here to Email ibeasinger     Edit/Delete Message
Well, here's what I've done (I'll have to go down and test it on Frank & Judy since he has me all excited about paddling around the keys) ...

I got a Canon WP-1 point and shoot (with original box, instruction book, carrying case and strap) off e-bay. Including shipping it cost $64. Apparently they take decent pictures and it's waterproof and floats and considering my penchant for falling out ... oops ... disembarking mid-trip .. from my boat sounded like the best and least expensive route to take!

Dena

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Dave Flory
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From:San Jose, CA., USA
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posted 09-27-2003 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Flory   Click Here to Email Dave Flory     Edit/Delete Message
Check out my website for pictures all taken with a Sony DSC P1 in the Sony Marine housing. I think the current camera version is the P7 but the enclosure is still the same. Mine has worked very well for three years, on my kayak and on whale watching cruises (often experience heavy spray in the winter.)

Fair winds and happy bytes, Dave Flory

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